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Hi Dave
Just sent you a pm with response to your post with some more information. Sorry I hadn't noticed your pm.

Valpurgis - I tried sending you a PM a few days ago and just saw your other post on the Stage 2 / HX3 thread. I can't help but think there has to be an easier solution to what you're experiencing with your Nord C2D and HX3 Expander.

I'd be happy to take a look at your custom cc set if you want to send it over to me. I own a Stage 2, not a C2D, but I have made custom cc sets for my HX3 for my Nord Stage 2, Mojo, DMC-122 controller and have navigated some strange quirks with the midi CC mapping on these keyboards and HX3 defaults settings.

For example, I'm looking at the HX3 Remote Nord C2 CC set in the remote software and I see that Upper drawbars (Midi CC 16-24) (HX3 corresponding numbers 401-409) are mapped correctly, but I don't see the lower drawbars (HX3 corresponding numbers 416-424) mapped anywhere in the C2 CC set. It seems to me that just mapping CC #36-44 (B1-B9 drawbars on the C2D) to HX3 numbers 416-424 should get those lower drawbars working in real time without the need for a Midi Solutions box.

Also with the C/V upper / lower issue: I see that Midi CC 85 is set for HX3 904 which is "Vibrato on Upper", but I don't see any mapping for HX3 #905, which is "Vibrato On Lower". You may need to map another button on the C2D specifically to turn the Vibrato lower On and Off. I had this same problem with the Mojo and eventually opted to remap an unused knob to turn the that function on and off.

So far I have been able to find a workaround to any midi cc issues I've encountered (outside of the midi limitations of the master keyboards).

In regard to the Stage 2, I haven't yet been able to use the Nord Stage 2 drawbars to control the HX3 drawbars in External or Slot A/B mode - I've only found the live drawbars and the other real time functions work only in Global midi mode. HX3 presets work fine in External mode.

After seeing your other post in the Stage 2 thread, I will set up my DB1 and Stage 2 tonight and see what I can figure out.

Let me know if I can help.

Dave Osoff
daveosoff@gmail.com

[quote="Valpurgis"]B0 55 7F C/V on upper
B0 55 00 C/V off upper
B1 55 7F C/V on lower
B1 55 00 C/V off lower
B0 10 10 DB 16' upper move to step 1
B0 10 00 DB 16' upper move back to step 0
B1 10 10 DB 16' lower move to step 1
B1 10 00 DB 16' lower move back to step 0

Monitored by Midi-Ox. Still in doubt happyfreddy?[/quote]


The listing is correct but I remember we talked about PRESETs Upper and Lower .
Please be so kind and post monitoring by Midi OX
Thx

Oh shit, I found this in the WIKI:

[i]Note: The MIDI Custom CC translation routine in HX3 firmware works for standard MIDI continuous controllers on upper manual channel only.
[/i]
here:
http://wiki.keyboardpartner.de/index.php?title=HX3_Remote/Update_Application

Seems to be a limitation by the HX3....nothing wrong with your C2.

Hi m_g

Yes I have tried to make my own custom CC set but cannot see how I can duplicate the same CC via different midi channels. I already have a Midi Solutions Event Processor Plus so I plan to use this to remap the CC's coming from the lower manual midichannel to the upper channel. Have used this processor many times for similar applications and it is handy little box but it involves more equipment, cabling and possible points of failure so the best would be if the HX3 could handle this by it self.

I just received the Expander 2 weeks ago so I have not tried it With another firmware than the one which is originally installed from Keyboarpartner.

I have seen the document you refer to and will use this when I do the mapping. During the weekend I will try to make a combination of midimapping and custom CC set to make the C2 and HX3 work well. Will report back on how this works out.

Jon

Hi valpurgis,

did you check this:
https://github.com/keyboardpartner/HX3/blob/master/DOCS_PDF/HOAX3_MIDI.xls

Seems that the KeyB and the Hamichord/Mojo do also send same CCs on both Manuals
but different Channels.
I know for sure that it works with the Mojo !

Did you try to create a Custom set on your own ?
Did it work with an older firmware 3.72 ?

B0 55 7F C/V on upper
B0 55 00 C/V off upper
B1 55 7F C/V on lower
B1 55 00 C/V off lower
B0 10 10 DB 16' upper move to step 1
B0 10 00 DB 16' upper move back to step 0
B1 10 10 DB 16' lower move to step 1
B1 10 00 DB 16' lower move back to step 0

Monitored by Midi-Ox. Still in doubt happyfreddy?

@m_g
I also don´t have any keyboard in use with HX3
All what I do is intergrate HX3 in new buildt organ case using the offered boards to complete.
My expander is in use with MIDI keys or Computer without any CC Set to operate.

The HX 3 excepts MIDI information on Chanel 1 for upper , Channel 2 for lower and Channel 3 for pedal.
Each ´Channel / Key can be changed in Sound by several presets, that means the changing information must happen
on specific channel.
Only on panel 16 board You have 4 " [b]General Presets[/b] " these 4 Presets contain information for upper , lower and pedal and their routing ie for upper the buttons percussion etc

If the HX 3 is driven by "only MIDI" the changing information for any preset must appear on the specific channel for this key manual

If You change the sending channel of the MIDI Keyboard You also change on HX 3 the corresponding drawbarset for this key manual.
But !!!!! You must know if You play on a MIDI keyboard ( driving the HX 3 ) and change the sending channel for this keyboard to Channel 3 the HX 3 only will accept the lower 2 octave keys and NOT the rest of this manual. You also have only the two drawbars 16 and 8 foot and sustain - nothing more.
You therefore can´t separte any drawbarset to another physically key manual or Midi Channel
Drawbars Upper are coupled to upper manual. How many [b]Drawbarsets Upper[/b] You have isn´t relevant same as for Lower Manual.
The pedal drawbars appear in HX3 ( and same in real Hammond ) only one time - not more

I also believe that there is a little "bug" in Nord Keyboard, for diffenrent operations on upper and lower manual normally need also separate Midi Channels and not the same as Simon98 hase posted

Freddy,

I am not sure cause I do not have a C2. But I think Simon's problem was that he has set
the Lower Manual to Midi Channel 1 on the C2.
That's what I asked valpurgis for, if he had set the correct Channel on the C2....

I use the Expander with a 2 manual masterkeyboard sending on Channel 1, 2 and 3
and the HX can handle all Midi CC seperatly, but with the NI4 CC-set...

...or we have a "little bug" in the Nord CC-set (like in the XK-CC set?) ???

We'll see, I am sure Carsten will have a look when he is back....

hi
read this
http://forum.keyboardpartner.de/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=136&hilit=Nord+C2

If the Nord Midi Implementation is correct how will a VB3 Software will detect an sended CC Set from upper manual when upper and lower manual send
on both channels exact the same MIDI channel. The sreenshot from "Simon98" shows this as You see : same controller bytes , upper 3 commands from upper manual and lower 3 commands in pic from lower manual : NO DIFFERENCE !!!

If You got exact same controller bytes either from upper or lower manual.

Upper sends:
B0 03 00
B0 03 40
B0 03 7F

Lower sends:
B0 03 00
B0 03 40
B0 03 7F

[b][size=150]B0[/size][/b] means [b]CHANNEL 1[/b]

If You want to mean [b]CHANNEL 2[/b] it must be [b] [size=150]B1[/size][/b] [b][size=150] [color=#FF0000]:!:[/color][/size][/b]


how will any software - even the VB3 Software - [b]detect[/b] what´s the meaning ?

Sorry I can´t follow that