What is "pedal tapping"?
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What is "pedal tapping"?
Jarl from MAFY/Sweden asked me for a special feature. There are Hammond afficionados who complained about a missing "pedal tapping" feature. I do not exactly know what that means - I think it's playing like the late Jimmy Smith (just hitting a pedal note slightly to obtain an attack effect while otherwise playing bass on left hand).
As a usual pedal is not velocity sensitive, I could think of a switch that cancels the fundamental bass frequency, just leaving the harmonics. Any sound examples out there?
As a usual pedal is not velocity sensitive, I could think of a switch that cancels the fundamental bass frequency, just leaving the harmonics. Any sound examples out there?
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Re: What is "pedal tapping"?
Pedal tapping is as I know a special way of playing bass sounds of legendary Jimmy Smith.
As known he mostly plays " handbass " and parallel playing lower manual keys he only "hits"
ANY pedal key a little, so that the pedal generates no direct bass sound but a " scratching noise " .
In addition with the keyclick of handbass in lower manual this remembers little to the sound of a
plugged bassguitar.
I think to analyse this the best way is to hear and measure this signal at audio tracks on some
bass solo tunes of Jimmy Smith
As known he mostly plays " handbass " and parallel playing lower manual keys he only "hits"
ANY pedal key a little, so that the pedal generates no direct bass sound but a " scratching noise " .
In addition with the keyclick of handbass in lower manual this remembers little to the sound of a
plugged bassguitar.
I think to analyse this the best way is to hear and measure this signal at audio tracks on some
bass solo tunes of Jimmy Smith
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Re: What is "pedal tapping"?
Dear all !
Eager to hear more about this feature !
Thanks a lot.
Cheers, Ramon.
Eager to hear more about this feature !
Thanks a lot.
Cheers, Ramon.
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Re: What is "pedal tapping"?
I think your guess is right, Carsten.
Lefthand Bass player just push a specific note on
the bass pedal to enhance the groove...
Jimmy Smith was known for it.
The Hammond SK has a function where you can
a specific bass note assign to the
foot switch.
So you can use this playing technique without
needing a full bass pedal. Just hit the footswitch.
(see SK Manual page 79)
But that means you need another footswitch
connector ?
Lefthand Bass player just push a specific note on
the bass pedal to enhance the groove...
Jimmy Smith was known for it.
The Hammond SK has a function where you can
a specific bass note assign to the
foot switch.
So you can use this playing technique without
needing a full bass pedal. Just hit the footswitch.
(see SK Manual page 79)
But that means you need another footswitch
connector ?
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Re: What is "pedal tapping"?
I think because in HAMMOND pedal you find 8 busbars connected to a resistance network
to generate the pedal sound 16´and 8´ it must happen that in minimum one of these keycontacts
will be somewhat closed a little. Even when no keycontact is closed when hitting the pedal key You
must not do it. But when any keycontact is closed a little there will be a little change in Tonewheel
pickup load for the common organ. I think we must regard in this case the tapering of whole organ
with the resistance wires.
As I remember Jimmy Smith taps not the same named keys in pedal played with left hand.
He taps permanent the same specific key in pedal.
So we must look at his left hand drawbar positions which busbars are involved.
The difficult aspect is that we don´t know which was his specific key in pedal.
The second difficulty is that we don´t know which busbar contacts close first very little when tapping.
The only way to find out is using audio track from a pedal solo of Jimmy Smith and regard
this on a spectrum analyzer
to generate the pedal sound 16´and 8´ it must happen that in minimum one of these keycontacts
will be somewhat closed a little. Even when no keycontact is closed when hitting the pedal key You
must not do it. But when any keycontact is closed a little there will be a little change in Tonewheel
pickup load for the common organ. I think we must regard in this case the tapering of whole organ
with the resistance wires.
As I remember Jimmy Smith taps not the same named keys in pedal played with left hand.
He taps permanent the same specific key in pedal.
So we must look at his left hand drawbar positions which busbars are involved.
The difficult aspect is that we don´t know which was his specific key in pedal.
The second difficulty is that we don´t know which busbar contacts close first very little when tapping.
The only way to find out is using audio track from a pedal solo of Jimmy Smith and regard
this on a spectrum analyzer
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Re: What is "pedal tapping"?
JS is not playing all the time the same note on the pedal. As far as I know, some Jazz organ players do so.
Have fun:
http://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/everythi ... style.html
Very good explanation:
https://www.learnjazzstandards.com/blog ... ond-organ/
Greetings
Wolfgang
Have fun:
http://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/everythi ... style.html
Very good explanation:
https://www.learnjazzstandards.com/blog ... ond-organ/
Greetings
Wolfgang
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Re: What is "pedal tapping"?
The only way to play on a Hammond B3 a " walking bass " is to use tip and heel
like Rhoda Scott does it - even barefoot !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4MTN_oy6E
meanwhile she is 79 of age .......... but still on stage
Barbara Dennerlein play only tip - because she uses a sampled acoustic bass with SUSTAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYP7Mxss3_U
so there is no need of playing tip and heel
When regarded Jimmy Smith we find that he plays both
manual bass on lower keys plus pedal bass at specific notes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NiIltwUudA
he never plays a walkingbass on pedal ! This walking line comes only from manual bass on lower
keyboard.
Cause he doubles certain notes with the pedal we hear this grooving style by really tip the pedal key or just
tapping it
like Rhoda Scott does it - even barefoot !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4MTN_oy6E
meanwhile she is 79 of age .......... but still on stage
Barbara Dennerlein play only tip - because she uses a sampled acoustic bass with SUSTAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYP7Mxss3_U
so there is no need of playing tip and heel
When regarded Jimmy Smith we find that he plays both
manual bass on lower keys plus pedal bass at specific notes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NiIltwUudA
he never plays a walkingbass on pedal ! This walking line comes only from manual bass on lower
keyboard.
Cause he doubles certain notes with the pedal we hear this grooving style by really tip the pedal key or just
tapping it
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Re: What is "pedal tapping"?
Von Maggy hat man lange Zeit nichts gehört
Das letzte Konzert wo ich sie erlebt habe war ein Gedächtniskonzert für Jimmy Smith,
was in der alten Oper in Frankfurt stattfand. Dort trat auch Barbara Dennerlein auf
und beide spielten teilweise die gleichen Titel, sodaß man sehr schön das Pedalspiel
beider vergleichen konnte. Obwohl Maggy sehr schnell im Pedal ist, war Barbara doch einen
Deut schneller. Ihr Vorteil ist eben der Sustain im Pedal, sodaß sie schnelle Läufe mit
einem Fuß spielen kann was Maggy durch ihre Fußtechnik notfalls mit beiden Füßen
ausgleichen muß
Ist schon Wahnsinn das Pedalspiel von Barbara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ut7yIuCEY
Leider wird man Maggy und Barbara wohl nie in einem Konzert an zwei Hammonds erleben
wie solch ein Event mit Barbara und Rhoda Scott, wo Rhoda komplett den Bass spielt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra4kYAYCdeI
Um auf Jimmy Smith und sein Pedal Tapping zurückzukommen ........
Wie bei vielen Hammondspielern die eine Walkingbasslinie spielen wird dies meist mit der
linken Hand durchgeführt, da eine normale Hammond über keinen Sustain im Pedal verfügt.
Akzente werden dann durch gleichzeitiges Treten der entsprechenden Pedaltaste gesetzt.
Die Frage ist nur wie weit die Pedaltaste durchgetreten wird und ob dann auch alle Tastenkontakte
geschlossen sind. Der groovige Sound kommt jedoch schon wenn eben nur angetippt = getappt
Das letzte Konzert wo ich sie erlebt habe war ein Gedächtniskonzert für Jimmy Smith,
was in der alten Oper in Frankfurt stattfand. Dort trat auch Barbara Dennerlein auf
und beide spielten teilweise die gleichen Titel, sodaß man sehr schön das Pedalspiel
beider vergleichen konnte. Obwohl Maggy sehr schnell im Pedal ist, war Barbara doch einen
Deut schneller. Ihr Vorteil ist eben der Sustain im Pedal, sodaß sie schnelle Läufe mit
einem Fuß spielen kann was Maggy durch ihre Fußtechnik notfalls mit beiden Füßen
ausgleichen muß
Ist schon Wahnsinn das Pedalspiel von Barbara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ut7yIuCEY
Leider wird man Maggy und Barbara wohl nie in einem Konzert an zwei Hammonds erleben
wie solch ein Event mit Barbara und Rhoda Scott, wo Rhoda komplett den Bass spielt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra4kYAYCdeI
Um auf Jimmy Smith und sein Pedal Tapping zurückzukommen ........
Wie bei vielen Hammondspielern die eine Walkingbasslinie spielen wird dies meist mit der
linken Hand durchgeführt, da eine normale Hammond über keinen Sustain im Pedal verfügt.
Akzente werden dann durch gleichzeitiges Treten der entsprechenden Pedaltaste gesetzt.
Die Frage ist nur wie weit die Pedaltaste durchgetreten wird und ob dann auch alle Tastenkontakte
geschlossen sind. Der groovige Sound kommt jedoch schon wenn eben nur angetippt = getappt
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